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dapat
2014-04-13, 01:56 PM
I think all should match with the opportunities and when there is a good chance we have to dare to use a larger capital and that is a very good thing and as traders we have to be ready and patient and all will be good with hard efforts.:doubt:
affan2414
2014-04-13, 02:42 PM
yes dear you are absulutely right, specially when we trade with less amount then select less lot because if you will get loss then you account will not wash, if you select big lot it may cause huge loss.
ddm.alamgir
2014-04-13, 02:46 PM
Sure the item happened when camping after i buy and sell never to loss our funds after which i can acquire an incredibly low profit. Higher profit will be each and every merchants hope however we may end up being failing for virtually any time period. And once we making the effort to acquire huge gains from our own buy and sell our nation buy and sell very carefully.
musakhan
2014-04-13, 02:48 PM
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sidboy
2014-04-13, 03:05 PM
Yes of course you are absolutely right. When you have not a big investment and you are trading poorly then it is always wise to trade with small volume or trade size because it can reduce or minimize the loss percentage. But it also decreases the profit ratio. So always use small trade size while trading with small investment or trade richly if you want to trade at large volume.
fxearner
2014-04-14, 03:14 PM
hanji trading agar thik se trades nahi kar pa raha to usko uss time hamesha low volume par trade lagani chahiye jisse usko loss bhi ho to kamm he ho aur trader achhe se achha experience gain karle forex market ka..
aktar
2014-04-14, 03:34 PM
Use a lower size of lots to trade would be safer for your account.Especially if you use it to try out your new group. or you are indecisive and unsafe which way prices present move, but you allay necessary to unsettled a trading condition should be through with the use of money management and good risk management.
kamranqureshi
2014-04-14, 03:44 PM
bhai agar ap ka trade size km hai to meay khayal se ap achi trading kr rhae ho or ap ko loss honay ka chance km hai or agar ap lot size zyada lagatay ho to phir ap ko loss ho sakta hai is lye lot size km he rakhna chai hai
zahidhussain
2014-04-30, 10:25 PM
it is best to the traders if a trader make the trade with low level and focus to the low profit and to learn more so it is the great opportunity to the traders to gain more and to earn more in the long term benifits so every one can do it and gain the profit
ahsansiddiqui99
2014-04-30, 10:26 PM
yes I take big gaps between the trades and if this continues for longer period I stop trading on that particular pair until trend reversal is confirmed to my side.hope for the best
mknwada
2014-04-30, 10:35 PM
The lowers as a traded as sizes is the benefited because it requires high risk when you are trading poorly and if know all about forex trading business. When he got knowledge related to forex trading business he can earn money !!!!
stnlhr
2014-04-30, 10:39 PM
according to my opinion the volume of trading should be small when you have low amount of money for trading, because due to big volume trade the beginners have lost their money and their account became zero. so it is very good strategy to trade with small volume for new traders.
tea01
2014-05-01, 12:15 AM
G nai mai ju b possting kerta hoon merey accoun mai bonus usi wqat aajata hy kyun k mai rules ko follow kerta hoon or ic mai hum sab sey bar k rules ko he sajen tu koi preshani nai hu g
fxghost
2014-05-24, 12:48 PM
according to my opinion the volume of trading should be small when you have low amount of money for trading, because due to big volume trade the beginners have lost their money and their account became zero. so it is very good strategy to trade with small volume for new traders.
JI ye to theek hain jaisi lot size hoti theek ushi prakaar ka trader ko nuksan bhi hota hain hamesha trading mein money management ka istemaal hona chahiye iski wajah se hum logo ko nuksan bhi kam hote hain bhaiya ji
jashim03g
2014-05-24, 01:30 PM
Yes it is true that if we are trading poorly and are making consistent losses we must lower our lot size in all the trades as there are much chances that we testament unofficial the class so I must say that we should job in the lowest lot situation. Also we should trade with proper money management.
prakash159439
2014-05-24, 01:36 PM
hello friend, i think forex is the easy way to earn more money in few seconds or minutes in very comfortable and simple. so, you should be join the forex trading. and after, you should be use the forex trading. you should be start the demo account first and after, you will use the real account. you should be use the stop loss and take profit. you know the indicators and signals.a
Dorai
2014-05-24, 01:53 PM
this is very beneficial in the event that many of us constantly business having low lot dimensions. it's spend less us by border call up, additional huge damage. we could be in industry regarding long time in the event that i am buying and selling having low lot dimensions. nevertheless per our see lot dimensions just isn't as well little we need to established it according to our own income managing.
M.USMAN
2014-05-24, 04:29 PM
Yes, hamay jab take trading me experience nhi ho jata.Our hum market ko achi tarha analyse nhi kar saktay.Ous time take hamay apni lot size minimum rakhni chahye.Ya phir trade nhi karna chahye.Phaly learn phir earn.
umair-ashfaq
2014-05-24, 04:43 PM
when you trade loss or market condition not very well so put order in small size to avoid wash out your account so work on small size and earn profit slow and staedy
dimahamulkar
2014-05-24, 11:01 PM
Always test the wind with small wiegthless objects. Similarly while testing the direction of the market, always trade with micro lots in order to enable to read the market sentiment as well as earn a few nominal non significant profits and also without the risk of loosing big trades. When the sentiment gets clear, go in with big hands. Just the same way as you play card games.
kisor111
2014-05-24, 11:01 PM
Many entrepreneurs successfully without losing any further, that is, not necessarily the more than the loss of businesses sued. but we we need to be aware of our mistakes when we lose. In this way, we will make this mistake again. Want to get the profits in the same industry company, has worked.
a_for_apple
2014-05-24, 11:50 PM
I agree with you, we need to reduce the use of our lot if we're not in optimal conditions. because it would jeopardize our trading account. I usually use a large lot when I was confident that I made the analysis, although sometimes it is still a loss
kishor1968
2014-05-24, 11:53 PM
See brother using the lower lots size is very good to avoid from big losing, we have to wise to set the lots size and do not think to get the moneywith fast if we do not sure for what we analyze..we need to see the market with clear and do not push to use the higher one, just see the condition is needed...lower lots size will give the comfortable situation and confident...but we need discipline and patient
sushma
2014-05-25, 12:03 AM
yes you are correct AS WELL AS when i must trade lot size sole As outlined by MY account size but whether or not we trade bigots within small balance my partner and i learn what situation is actually That is when i have made The item mistake ALONG WITH blown up MY accounts quite a few times consequently lot size is usually killer
alinaqi
2014-05-25, 12:19 AM
lot size decide krtay howay hme boht careful hona perta he.meray khayal se lot size trade shuru krnay se pehlay small honi chaheye or jab apko lage k is me profit ho rha he to ap ek or order bri lot k sath place kr saktay hain ta k apka profit maintain rhe.waisay ager hmaray paas kaafi capital ho to hum bri lot size set kr saktay hain or acha profit bna saktay hain
abubakkar
2014-05-25, 12:21 AM
i think ager hum ne forex me low invest ki hai to hmein low size and low pips k stah trading karna chahye so forex is best and i think forex is very profitable i like forex business.
Fatehpur
2014-05-25, 12:22 AM
Dear apki baat buhat achi ha agar hamare pass acha skill aur expereince ni ha to humien trading phele humesha lower lot size se karni chaie ic ka sab se bara faida yahi kh humien zada loss ni hoga aur second humien profit to hoga aur little profit hi apko perfect bana sakta ha zada lot size se trading karien ge to humien skill na hone ki waja se zada loss hoga.
fxersimo
2014-05-25, 07:15 AM
If, on the other hand, we dont forgive ourselves and relive the mistake in
our minds again and again, what do you think is going to happen?
Its obvious that we will repeat the mistake. This happens because our subconscious does
not care whether we give it good or bad information, it simply sees the clear pictures we give it
and tries to act it out in our lives.
fxearner
2014-05-25, 05:04 PM
Yes, hamay jab take trading me experience nhi ho jata.Our hum market ko achi tarha analyse nhi kar saktay.Ous time take hamay apni lot size minimum rakhni chahye.Ya phir trade nhi karna chahye.Phaly learn phir earn.
hanji trader agar market mein kisi baat ko lekar confused hai to uss time mein trader ko low volume par he trade karna chahiye,trader ko apne analysis par trust hona chahiye kyunki trader jab takk khud analysis nahi karta wo ess business mein thik se kaam nahi kar paata..
tahirabbasi
2014-05-25, 06:39 PM
yes jab be ap ke investment kam ho forex trading main tu ap ko apni lot size ko kam use kerna ho ga yani big volume ager use kero gy tu ap ko loss ho jaye ga apni investment ky hisab sy tarde kerna chiye ap ko
minmolk
2014-05-29, 02:59 PM
yes, just trade with the lower amount of the lot size is enough, better to do not using too much lot size on make the trading on the forex because it will make us being greedy to got more money and that will make us really can got the big loss inside there.
mendak
2014-05-29, 02:59 PM
Bohot achee advise hay aap ki aur main to kahoon ga kay aap poorly trade kar rahy hoon ya profits earn kar rahy hoon aap ko apna lot size brha naheen chahiye aur apny capital kay increase hony par hi lot size ko increase karna chahiye.
garmink
2014-05-29, 03:00 PM
han bhai ap na ak dam thk bat ki hamain apna lot size increase nh karna cahiyay .agar hum lot size increase karna cahtay hain tu fr hamain apna capital bi increase karna cahiyay .es tarha hamara risk equal rahay ga.
mdchomokali
2014-05-29, 03:14 PM
without a doubt you might be proper and also we need to buy and sell lotsize merely according to each of our bank account sizing although in the event many of us buy and sell biglots using small equilibrium i am aware what scenario is actually taht is actually we've made in which mistake in addition to blown up my records many times thus lotsize is actually monster.
mstnazim
2014-05-29, 03:34 PM
A lot of investors are achievements without the more deficits, Come on, man it's not needed that will greatest investors got search for by loss. Even so you can declare that whenever all of us bear loss all of us must be aware by your blunders. Like this all of us don't produce most of these blunders once again. In every enterprise which you want to earn benefit, inside exact same enterprise there is certainly a few probability of loss.
M.USMAN
2014-05-29, 03:39 PM
Yes, trader jab trading me new ho.Our ous ko trading thek say nhi ati tu ous ko small volume me trade karni chahye.Small lot size me trade ker kay koch experience a jae tu next normal lot size me trading kar sakta hai.
klotak
2014-05-29, 03:41 PM
I think we should be in the forex can be run from a low risk and it would be very meaningful and as traders we have to be ready and all need processes and a lull in trading is very important and as traders we should be able to focus and hard work would be very useful and we do have to do the process well.:)))
aminelking
2014-05-29, 07:50 PM
it's the best idea for ever because when you trading poorly you will not make a large profit so if you was lucky you will make at the
last 10$ so you need to trade with lower size i hope that all member see this post and learn how to work
dcruze2013
2014-05-29, 07:56 PM
That is the good strategy to make continuous profit in the Forex market. And to follow this instruction you need maintain your money management techniques too.
workfair
2014-05-29, 07:58 PM
traders ko forex trading k liey aik baat boht imprtant hey k wo market ko long time tuk analyze karein aur apni trading strategy banaein.iss k baad hi wo favorable conditions mein trade karein.aur agar capital low hey tu trade size k bhi minimum rakhein.iss tara unn ko market pressure ko digest karna easy ho gaa.
a_for_apple
2014-05-30, 05:06 PM
it's the best idea for ever because when you trading poorly you will not make a large profit so if you was lucky you will make at the
last 10$ so you need to trade with lower size i hope that all member see this post and learn how to work
actually to get the $ 10 it is very easy in forex, we only have to require sizable capital. at least 100-200 $
we could use a lot 0.1-0.3 to get $ 10 a day. and is relatively easy :)
of course we should not be in a hurry, and do not want revenge just because you hit stoploss position :)
menbonl
2014-06-01, 02:54 PM
every trader in order to protect their trading account from loss or gets a lot of margin call we must try to prevent the use of the big lot in the transaction because it will greatly harm the trading account If a futures position goes against you, even if you only had one contract, you may still lose hundreds of dollars which may be a significant loss
sarpanka
2014-06-01, 02:55 PM
Without understanding the market condition clearly a trader should avoid trading.Otherwise he will have to loose in trades.If he determines to trade somehow,I also agree that he should trade with a very small lot size and trade carefully.If he makes good in some trades he can increase his lot size and continue trading.
jasmo
2014-06-01, 02:56 PM
Low lot size hamesha trader ke liye best mana jata hai, agar humko achcha profit nahi hota hai, to kafi bada loss bhi nahi ho pata hai, low lot size ka agar jayda fayda nahi hota hai, to jayda bada nuksaan bhi nahi hai.
kaswoyo
2014-06-01, 03:20 PM
I think we should be trading in focus and all need the process and we need to do from a small size then and it is a process and all will be fine with the peace and we should always remain calm then all it took a process and we have to be patient.
:yahoo:
rezina
2014-06-01, 04:42 PM
We need to see the market with clear and do not push to use the higher one, just see the condition is needed, lower lots size will give the comfortable situation and confident...but we need discipline and patient. When I trade not to loss my capital and then i have to earn a very low profit.High profit is every traders expectation but we may be failure for any time.So when we are trying to earn huge profits from our trade we should trade carefully. :good:
manzoorgujar
2014-06-01, 04:45 PM
forex is a risky business and in this business if you trade with low lots size then you easly earn a money.every trader loss in forex when he want to earn quickly and he trade a big lot and he face a loss in forex market.
atifrana
2014-06-01, 05:47 PM
Yes Friend me apse agree kerta hun k hum ko apni trading me volume size capital size k hisab se hi hamesha select kerna chahye or chance nai lena chahye small menas kam capital k sath big volume me q k yeh bohat risky b ho sakta hai hum ko big profit k chaker me big loss b mil sakta hai is liye volume capital size k hisab se hona chahye.
ll00131
2014-06-01, 06:19 PM
The low volume of trade is causing the fluctuation in the currency market in Forex, so you should take advantage of the powerful during periods of global stock markets Boerse Enyork to enter into a contract we can get them at a big profit
rakhi
2014-06-01, 06:34 PM
Sir mujhe lagte hai ke agr koi trader har time hi apne trading ko lower rate me hi karte hai to uski bhi koi karon hoti hai , jaise mujhe lagte hai ke us trader ko abhi bhi is forex trading market ki bare me thik se knowledge or experience nahi hai is liye wo trader apne traded me jayda risk nahi uthana chahate hai , mujhe lagte hai ke ye bahut hi acche bat hai , jayda profit karne ki lalach me agr loss ho jate hai to trading thik se nahi kar payenge .
every trader and business man knows that the depression is the most worst condition in economy.... and you wants to reduce your loss size then if you are are getting profit then increase your business size according to your requirement.
forexer1
2014-06-01, 07:59 PM
This is true post and suggestion to the new comers in forex trading, every new traders wants to become millionaire in a day, but unfortunately this strategy is not good, if a trader implement the money management rule during trading, then he never loose his real money, so every time use the 10% of you money and use the TP and SL strategy.
naqash2100
2014-06-01, 08:56 PM
G haan aap nye yeh bohat hi achhi bat ki hai humen kabhi bhi greedy ho kar trading nhi karni chahiye balky hamesha low volume k trades put karni chaiye iss se loss hony key bohat hi kam chances hoty hain. So be careful and always put your order with low volume. Thanks
milakhan
2014-06-01, 09:18 PM
small lot size lead people in order to to loss small profit AND ALSO lead people to be able to gain small revenue IN ADDITION TO big lot size is lead you to loss big amount or lead a person for you to win big number small lot size will be great to help avoid your current spread only.
fxghost
2014-06-02, 11:40 AM
G haan aap nye yeh bohat hi achhi bat ki hai humen kabhi bhi greedy ho kar trading nhi karni chahiye balky hamesha low volume k trades put karni chaiye iss se loss hony key bohat hi kam chances hoty hain. So be careful and always put your order with low volume. Thanks
ye baat theek hain bhaiya ji yaha par jayda lalach nahi karna chahiye trader ko chote chote volume se hi trading karna hota hain bada volume se trade ka matlab yehi hota hain ki hum lalach kar rahe hain bhaiya ji
kasrul
2014-06-02, 11:57 AM
I think it all depends on the market and we must form so the smart trader and can play a lot so that we do will be very nice and it will make us be successful without getting the pip.
:)))
norman
2014-06-02, 12:15 PM
I think we as traders fear not and should be bold and all must be learned then we will be able to do better on my own and am pleased with the play of the lot it will make us a smart trader and it's very important and as traders we have to be ready and all need processes and peace.
:)))
Ashik-jaman
2014-06-02, 12:21 PM
Yes you should keep your trade size lower if you don't have enough money in your account.because higher trade size will generate higher risk and if your trade gonna wrong then you will found your account empty.so if your balance is lower then you should go for the lower trade size and it will minimize your risk factor.
mishtiaq
2014-06-02, 12:25 PM
Gee haan bhai jaan apki trade aap ke balance pe depend kerti hai app ke pass jitna zayada balance ho ga apki trade utni hi bari lage gi aur balance jitna kam ho ga trade bhi usi hisaab se chhoti lagy gi.
muslih
2014-06-02, 12:47 PM
I think we should be able to focus and hard work would be very nice and all and peace processes need to be very good and lot size in trading I think we should be able to play it because in our trading should be able to run with intelligence and we will be so smart trader if you can play a lot.
:yahoo:
asingh601
2014-06-02, 01:38 PM
ye baat theek hain bhaiya ji yaha par jayda lalach nahi karna chahiye trader ko chote chote volume se hi trading karna hota hain bada volume se trade ka matlab yehi hota hain ki hum lalach kar rahe hain bhaiya ji
sahi kaha aapne jyada lalach nahi karna chahiye kyonki jitna lalach karenge utna hi hamen loss hoga ek adh baar hi aap kamai kar lenge par adhiktar samay par aap sirf loss hi uthaenge aur aapko sirf nuksaan hoga fayda nahi hoga.
forex indian
2014-06-02, 02:08 PM
Yes its a matter of common sense,if the market is totally unpredictable and you are not sure about the outcome of the trade then you should not trade in big size it is better to trasde in small sizes to be on the safer side.
kinco
2014-06-02, 02:23 PM
I think we have to be focused and as traders should we have to play a lot and it would be very nice and I think that way we will be able to do well and trading correct and I think all it took a process and we have to be able to focus and patience is very important.
:)))
rupushi80
2014-06-02, 02:55 PM
Yes it is right that if we have low capital we should trading with poorly because forex is a very risky business so we should very cerafully and don't emotionaly because emotions is very bad for the forex trader s .
a_for_apple
2014-06-02, 03:32 PM
for the moment I prefer not to make trades if I do not have a proper analysis of the market
because I have to be careful with the capital I have, this is the last capital that I can use for trading.
I hope I can survive using these trading capital and success in the forex market
fxearner
2014-06-03, 11:07 AM
sahi kaha aapne jyada lalach nahi karna chahiye kyonki jitna lalach karenge utna hi hamen loss hoga ek adh baar hi aap kamai kar lenge par adhiktar samay par aap sirf loss hi uthaenge aur aapko sirf nuksaan hoga fayda nahi hoga.
hanji forex ke business mein jo bhi lalach karenga usko ess business mein loss he hoga,trader ko yaha lalach bilkul nahi karna chahiye aur hamesha apne target se stick rehna chahiye aur dheere dheere he earn ke baarein mein sochna chahiye..
umairfx
2014-06-03, 11:12 AM
perfect rule i think. actually i'm also doing in demo now a days. i try to trade poorly because i have no capital in large so i should practice in low equity. :-)
waheedsain10
2014-06-03, 11:32 AM
yes dear this is a good idea.if u have small investment u can do lower lot size so that u can do ur trading very safely,but in this way u have very very smalll earning but will be good profit...even if u have big investment u can also slect small lot size this will also good for ur safe trading
M.USMAN
2014-06-03, 06:21 PM
Yes, traders jab trading me poor ho tu trade size low rakhna chahye.Our trading me minimum risk lay ker hi trade karna chahye.Trader learning kay duran agar big trade open karen ga tu ous ko loss ho ga.Learning me trade karni nhi chahye.Agar karen tu minimum lot size hona chahye.
Sharif
2014-06-03, 08:31 PM
lower trade size to un traders ke liye must hai jin ke pass kaam balance hai wo to es ka use krain ke wo lot size ko kam se kam rakhain es se wo loss se bach jain ge
fxghost
2014-06-15, 10:31 AM
lower trade size to un traders ke liye must hai jin ke pass kaam balance hai wo to es ka use krain ke wo lot size ko kam se kam rakhain es se wo loss se bach jain ge
sirf aise trader hi nahi jinke pass chota capital balki har ek trader ki jarurat hoti hain ki wo chote lot ke sath mein trading karna pasand kare bada lot hamesha apko bada nuksan de sakta hain bhaiya ji
asingh601
2014-06-15, 08:42 PM
sirf aise trader hi nahi jinke pass chota capital balki har ek trader ki jarurat hoti hain ki wo chote lot ke sath mein trading karna pasand kare bada lot hamesha apko bada nuksan de sakta hain bhaiya ji
sahi kaha aapne har ek trader ko apne lot ko ristrict karke rakhna jaruri hai kyonki iska bahut mahatva hota hai forex me aapka ek ek risk aapke account ko margin call tak pahuchane ya fir bachane me sahayak ho sakta hai isliye kam se kam risk hona chahiye trade me.
I think all should start small and all need the process and we do have to do with processes and trading with low size first and all will be good with could do with a good process and it will be very meaningful and all will be good with focus.
:yahoo:
waheedrana.972
2014-06-17, 01:33 PM
g han main aapki baat sya ittafaq kafta hun kay agar aapkay account main raqam kam horahi hay to aap apni trading ko thora mehdood karain . or choti lot size ka istamal.karain takay agar aapko mazeed loss ho bhi sahee to aapkay account kp ziada masla na ban skay or aapko na hi margin call ka koi khatra ho
Fx.Driver
2014-06-17, 01:51 PM
lot size increase profitability.this is right increase investment then loss ll be decreasing and profit ll be increasing. if you not maintain money management then any time you ll floating long time and falls in hole of margin call. so be careful. Should never get inspired by profits and go with bigger risks unnecessarily
Use the lower lots size is very good to avoid from big losing, we have to wise to set the lots size.High profit is every traders expectation but we may be failure for any time.So when we are trying to earn huge profits from our trade we should trade carefully.
berserkern
2014-06-17, 03:12 PM
there is some logic behind this i admit but in fact there is no garantee that the trade will continue in the same direction after you modify your lot size , absolutely no garantee ,in my opinion you need to make a reasonable lot size for exemple 1/500 of your entire balance and trust your analysis to the end and put a stop loss hard to reach , this way you will kep your losses under control and also you will be able to make decent profits in the same time
شساقشبنخ
2014-06-17, 03:22 PM
Forex trade ka bisness aysa biness hay jis se ap ko agr trade kerni ho aur ap ke pass zati pesa bhi ap ko pass mojood na hon jis se ap trade ker skin tu us ap ko indian fourm se bonus milta hay posting kerny se jis se ap ko trade kerny mein asani ho jati hay ap ko invest ya khud se deposit bi ni kerna parta aur ap trade bi ker skty hain.
there are so many traders who got success without any much losses I colligate it is not obligatory that best traders had act from loss and we can say that when we have loss we staleness be sensitive from our mistakes.
kelik
2014-06-17, 03:47 PM
the risk that we must choose how to determine the path of our choice in the trade before determining the choices we make in trade should we choose either way what should we use in the trade so that the trade we can determine a safe and able to survive in this business
mun07
2014-06-17, 03:57 PM
The profit and loss is the part of every forex trading the good trader can earn the good money which the earning of the forex . the good trader can do the money which we will do the forex money that we will do the money which every trader can good way which do the profit earn .
Mohamed Kamel
2014-06-17, 04:21 PM
you are right we should open our oreders with lot suitable for our capitals and suitable for our analysis , because there is no doubt we will margin our capital easily , traders who prefer risk with small capital always loss because forex isn,t a money factory you should use your mind good luck
koli forex
2014-06-17, 04:35 PM
If there is a slump in the market and you want to stay in your market then you should try to lower the size of trade and try to take as low risk as possible.
eaxy4x4u
2014-06-17, 04:44 PM
Forex trading karne ki liye agr koi trader yaha par small lot se traded karte hai to w0o mare khayal se thik hi hai kuk jayda big traded karne se hame big profit ke sath sath big los bhi ho sekte hai , is liye small lot se traded karne se chaiye profit kam milye but agr traded me loss vi hoti hai to bhi wo kam hi hogi .
shah.g
2014-06-17, 06:04 PM
My dear ap ne boht ache thread post ki hai aur mai ap ki is baat se agree karta houn bilkul agar ap forex trading mai poor trading kar rahe hain tou ap ko safety first karni chahiye
rose31
2014-06-17, 07:12 PM
yes you are right and also we must trade lot size only based on our account size but if we trade big lots with small balance i know what situation is taht is i have made that mistake and blown up my accounts several times so lot size is killer.Many traders are success without any more losses, I mean it is not necessary that best traders had seek from loss.
However we can say that when we bear loss we must be aware from our mistakes. In this way we do not make these mistakes again. In every business which we want to earn profit, in same business there is some chances of loss.
Alijia
2014-06-18, 03:56 AM
agar aap bhut zyada loss face karen tu apna trade size ya pips ko low karen agar aap low nahe karen ge tu aapka sara capital lost ho jaye ga aur aap disappoint honge forex par hamen greed nahe karna chahye aur patience kay saath low size par trading karni chahye istarha ham successful ban sakty hain
entok
2014-06-18, 08:50 AM
all need calmness in the trading process and very mean and all need consistency and as traders we should start small and all will be fine with the patient in the process and all it's not instant and it was very good once with do with nice and hard work will be very meaningful.
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oemata
2014-06-18, 08:56 AM
I even think that for avoiding the lost big money shortly, better to lower the lot size if I trading with bigger and bigger capital. I have tried it and I think it is rationale and make me avoided from lost. I trade forex not only to have big money shortly but I trade forex to have a freedom in thinking and financial. This is my field of life and i think if I can manage my family with the finance I have from forex, it is enough for me.
Jethro
2014-06-18, 09:03 AM
A lot of professionals are usually success without the much more loss, Come on, man it is not essential that ideal professionals experienced find via damage. However we can easily say that after all of us keep damage all of us must be aware via the blunders. In this way all of us do not make these types of blunders once more. Divorce lawyers atlanta small business which usually you should generate income, within identical small business there may be some odds of damage.
all need processes and we as traders should be patient and all will be well with focus and hard work we will be very decisive and all need processes and peace would mean a lot and it was very good indeed.all it takes the process and nothing is instant.
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imranshabbir
2014-06-18, 09:47 AM
yes dear you are right humen hamesha low lot ki trade karni chahye apny balance ko dekh kar mery pass bhaly hamesha balance zyda ho ya low ho men hamesha low lot lagata hu and or Mashallah men acha profit earn kar saha hu . meri aap ko suggetion ye hi hy k aap b low lot lagaya karne faida hoga.
aliya
2014-06-18, 11:20 AM
g haan forex poorly logon k liye hai ager ap forex me acha profit earn kerna chate hain to apko forex me learning kerni hogi phir hi hame forex me acha profit aye ga or forex real work hai or hame real earning deta hai forex good hai
ejazamjaa
2014-06-18, 11:39 AM
agar hum lower lot k sath trade karen gy to hamen fiada ho ga keun k jab hum trading emin risk lety hain to hamen loss hota hy or hamara account margin call mein chala jata hy or hum trade karny k qabil nahi rehty isliye hamen risk nahi lena chahye.
fxzahid11
2014-06-18, 04:45 PM
always take a risk as you can bear loss. when you trade keep a spare amount in your account because when you trade you may loss any time and you ned then more amount to trade. but if you not have spare amount you should trade with short amount for you lose short
methewf
2014-06-18, 05:25 PM
yes you are required to trade according to the market trend if the market is going high then you should invest liberally in the deals but you should notice all the news that are circulating in the market if the market is going down then cut down your investment
WestBank
2014-06-18, 05:29 PM
in lot size in this Forex trading it will be profitable if you will be able to have a good trading and the market will be in an upward position then you will going to earn enough or big profit. But sometimes it is also risky to increase a lot size because we know that this market is an unpredictable
bdfahad
2014-06-18, 05:38 PM
use the lower lots size is very good to avoid from big losing, we have to wise to set the lots size and do not think to get the money with fast if we do not sure for what we analyze.So when we are trying to earn huge profits from our trade we should trade carefully.
jazzarkoun
2014-06-18, 05:41 PM
I find that it is e'er advantage to change your lot size if you are not 100%certain of what you are doing .because postuated as a lot filler way lofty risks ,and screechy risky as a capitals that you mightiness lax all of your solides obtained money in no termes at all ,and this is something for certainly you do not poorness to encounters !!
mdmakbol28
2014-06-22, 07:02 PM
i am concord with it. when we are not careful about the activity inclination, we should not merchandise in overlooking lot. fitter occupation with a mini lot.it departure aid us to vindicate the perceptibility with a acme probability.
a_for_apple
2014-06-22, 10:49 PM
This is a great way for our psychological memantain, by reducing the use of trading volume, then we will reduce the amount of loss that we get.
This of course would not be bad for us psychologically, when we are already in the normal condition. then we can use the trading volume that we use
brimoel
2014-06-22, 11:11 PM
Hello my dear friend i think you have to correct your strategy and try not to make your mistakes again and again, after correcting your strategy then you can easily reciprocate your losses , and with the forex traders that whenever the trades go in the deep losses then the patient and the remedial action is to lower the risk size which then results in the lower profits. Good luck man!
liaqatali
2014-06-22, 11:25 PM
ager men sahee baat kahoon to forex trading market men merey loss kee bhee yahee main waja hey keh men account men money kam hotee hey aur lot size baree baree use karta hoon ya kabhee kabhee multiple trades ko bhee open kar deta hoon jis kee waja sey men loss men chala jata hun .
omolroy
2014-06-23, 12:04 AM
yes that is the best strategy when we are making poor trades and then we see that nothing is going right for us then we may may reduce the trade size so that if we have to loose then the loss is in control .
sam234
2014-06-23, 04:13 AM
All good traders follow this rule.Why continue to lose on five lots (contracts) per trade when you could save yourself a lot of money by lowering your trade size down to a one lot on your next trade? If I have two losing trades in a row, I always lower my trade size down to a one lot. If my next two trades are profitable, then I move my trade size back up to my original lot size.
That is a very good advise to many traders out there because when you are trying to recover from your losses quickly by using a high risk, you might find yourself losing more money and this can make you to get a margin call. So traders should avoid this kind of thing.
Aymen Arfaoui
2014-06-23, 05:29 AM
Yes and You have to choose the lot size looking to your invested capital ,the target that you want to realize and the possible losses.It is an easy job but needs to be objective.This means that there is no place for greediness here,emotions also mus be defeated.
darkboy
2014-06-23, 05:43 AM
Certainly the decline in the volume of transactions that we do lead
to maintain the account it is possible that the person so after a
series of failed deals, which finished at a loss so it's important
abu.naim
2014-06-23, 08:05 AM
Forex is the best for the student.All good traders follow this rule. follow Miss five of the lots (contracts) to trade when you can save money by reducing their work many here in your work? If I have two jobs lost in a row, always reduce the size of my work for many. As the following two profitable trade so I return to my original size with the size of commercial lot.
rajapsing
2014-06-23, 08:07 AM
we staleness enter our declare uninjured, if we are in floating, and we trading poorly, maybe its modify if we do not act sect again, we can use our boundary to stop our line or virtuous cut decease
yahya
2014-06-23, 08:21 AM
I think all it took a process and we should be able to manage with nice and all will be well and I think we should be as a trader can start from low risk and it's very important because all needed process.
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mun07
2014-06-23, 09:19 AM
The profit and loss is the part of the every forex trading when we will do the forex then the every trader can do this way to earn the money which the every trader can do it easy for the money earn the forex is the great earning way which we should do it for the money earning .
mister
2014-06-23, 09:51 AM
I think we should start from a low risk by playing a lot of small and small all need risk process and patience was very important and all will be good with patience and it was very good.and all will be good with focus.
;)
somakon
2014-06-26, 04:10 PM
Yes forex mein new traders ko hamesha small lot size hi use kerna chahiye kionkay abhi unhon nay forex trading ka experience hasil kerna hota hay aur khas tore per jab market slow ho ya down ho tu aisay waqt trading naheen kerni chahiye aur market kay tezi mein aanay ka intizar kerna chahiye verna loss ho secta hay.
nasimut
2014-06-26, 04:12 PM
Well as we all know that first of all we need to make a forex trading practice on demo account to make your self strong in forex market that is very good thing for good trader and if you are also in loss than you need to make a little size of your lot
raza hassan
2014-06-26, 04:13 PM
yes dear ma ap ki bat sy agree karta ho k hamesha apni trade ka size low rakho jab tak ap ka capital or experience low ho kiun k dear agar ap ka experience low hai tu agar ap ki trade ka volume high ho ga tu kabhi b ap ko big loss ho sakhta hai so dear.
buran
2014-06-26, 04:15 PM
Bilkul theek hai baat hai forex trading karte waqat hamesha small lots k sath trade karni chaye , is se ap ko faida to kam hi ho ga lakin ap loss se bach jaen ga ap ko ziada loss nai ho ga , chote lots me trading aik achi strategy hai.
mohsan.khan
2014-06-26, 04:22 PM
g han jo b log market ma kamyab huwa ha un ki waja 50 percent logon ki asi ha jo apna trades ka size kam rakhta tha yahi waja thi un ko kbi bi loss ni aya aj wo kamyab ha ap b lott ka size apna acount ko dakhta huwa kam rakha.
dirmonil
2014-06-29, 08:28 PM
Yes that's true friends, there are a lot of different strategies for low capital accounts, if you have a low capital account you can use high leverage and also use low lot size to trade, but you have to be careful because one high lot size position can kill you.
vapul
2014-06-29, 08:29 PM
its my best strategy which i use in forex tradings and when i see that now the market is going against me then i open the reverse trade with less lot so to make my original lot at less place to get easy way of tradings.
baratok
2014-06-29, 08:30 PM
This is the best strategy , some time market situation doesn't allow to trade well so best thing in such situation is to lower the trade size to minimize the lose or just dont trade in such conditions.
zexi123
2014-06-29, 08:33 PM
One of the reasons Forex is attractive to beginners is because there are no minimum size requirements, so unlike with stocks or futures, you can actually trade as small as you want. This is helpful to beginners because it allows them to use small position sizes with minimal risk while they are learning. If a futures position goes against you, even if you only had one contract, you may still lose hundreds of dollars which may be a significant loss for you.
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usali
2014-06-29, 08:38 PM
yes brother mera experience bhi yeh hi khta hai k hum ko lot size small hi rkhna ho ga es se hum ko profit ti kam hi ho gi to lekin agr markite mukhalif chali gye to loss bhi kam hi ho ga
sayuki
2014-06-29, 10:10 PM
Our trading lot size can be changed but risk per trade should be always same. So, its better to focus on risk per trade than the lot size. Lot size will automatically increase with the increase of deposit amount.
fxersimo
2014-06-29, 10:18 PM
Because futures are leveraged, commodity brokerage firms are taking on
a considerable amount of risk to allow clients to trade accounts funded
by checks. should it be discovered that a client check bounces due to
insufficient funds or an account freeze, it is the brokerage firm that
is responsible for ensuring funding is available to cover any trading
asingh601
2014-07-11, 01:52 AM
satya kaha apne hamen hamesha apne trading size ko ya fir lot size bhi keh sakte hain kam rakhna chahiye iska calculation hamen account balance ke hisab se karna chahiye aur strategy ke nirdharan ke hisab se trade dena chahiye hamen.
julikfi
2014-07-19, 11:17 AM
g han dear apne bilkul sahi kaha jab ap trade karen to small volume k sath trade karen kyun k new traders sahi tarah market ki conditions se waqif nahi hote or baray volume k sath tarde kar k loss kar bethtay hain.
soumendu
2014-07-19, 03:17 PM
g han mera dost ma ap ki bat sy agree karta ho k jab ap ka balance kam ho or ap forex trading business ma b new ho tu phir ap ko ap ki trade ka size chorta he rakhna chaheya kiun k big trade ka account b khatam kar sakhti hai.
aborik
2014-07-21, 04:53 PM
If you have not enough money always lower trade size when youre trading poorly.because you have not enough money and if you want to take out high trade then you can get loss all of your money. you can not do any thing if you get loss from there. So you need to always lower trade size when you are trading poorly.
akash4u4ever
2014-07-21, 05:18 PM
yes bro we need to take always lower volume jisse ki hum log losses se bach sake, jitna volume kam lenge utni hi kam tension hogi, risk free trading jyada suiitable rehti hai sabhi ke liye, chote chote profit se bhi bada capital bnaya jaa sakta hai.
Josh Fisher
2014-07-21, 05:20 PM
According to the risk and money management, the controlling of the lot size is really important part of trading and to use 2% to 5% margin is good per traders, so if only currency pairs then we can use 5% per trades and we have to keep some extra percentage if we need to do some reverse trades.
misssoozy
2014-07-21, 05:23 PM
I always prefer to trade with low volume and try to pick some good profit.I also suggest this strategy to all the newbies to make trades with low volume.This makes their account safe and also provide them a life time opportunity to make some good trades through the capital they have in their account.So try to pick these things in our mind and make all the trades with low volume.
hibasuk
2014-07-22, 01:47 PM
This is a good advice and one can really avoid getting your account margin call if you are using smaller lot size in your trading. If your open position floating with negatives and in high lot size don't ever open another position of the same lot size,can be deadly if the market continue to go against your trades.
lobla88
2014-07-22, 01:51 PM
Use the lower lots size is very good. Its save us from margin call, more big loss. The risk of a maximum of 2% is very good for every trader. In every business which we want to earn profit. Small lot size is great to avoid the spread only.
fxghost
2014-07-25, 10:26 AM
Use the lower lots size is very good. Its save us from margin call, more big loss. The risk of a maximum of 2% is very good for every trader. In every business which we want to earn profit. Small lot size is great to avoid the spread only.
theek kaha apne trader ke liye bahut jayda jaruri yehi hota hain ki wo kam se kam lot size ka use kare agar wo is field mein khud ke bade nuksan se bachna chahta hain to chota lot size hi safe trading mana jata hain
rfshopz
2014-07-25, 10:50 AM
When we has make so many loss that is according to what type of trading system that we use...What kind trading strategy we use in our trading system...Are we use averaging or martingale...This is about how your stick on your strategy not about your profit or your loss....thats it...
punjfa
2014-07-25, 10:54 AM
in the trading many of the people are the poor and they are now start to giving to the re leaf by the help of the many of the account by the bouns and in the form of the bonus you make the profit also...
bishar
2014-07-25, 11:07 AM
In the chain of losses it is good to have trade lesser in amount and quantity also.To regain an built your confidence you should have to be smart .but as per my view lot size is not too small we must set it according to our money management.
fxearner
2014-07-25, 04:31 PM
theek kaha apne trader ke liye bahut jayda jaruri yehi hota hain ki wo kam se kam lot size ka use kare agar wo is field mein khud ke bade nuksan se bachna chahta hain to chota lot size hi safe trading mana jata hain
hanji forex me trader ke liye bahut jaroori hai ki wo yaha lot size kamm he rakhein,trader agar kamm volume me kaam karenga to wo ess business me bahut achha kar sakenga kyunki yaha low risk par kaam kiya jaaye to woi trader ke liye sabse achha rehta hai..
wajid302
2014-07-25, 04:33 PM
i do not think so as long as you are new in here then do not think of this business as easy money and work hard and have the needed moralities that way you can go on and slide easily in to the best of this business then it would be a money factory.
gmrokonuz
2014-07-25, 04:40 PM
yes you\'re correct AND my spouse and i must trade lotsize single As outlined by MY account size but whether my spouse and i trade biglots inside small balance my partner and i recognize what situation will be taht is usually my spouse and i have intended It mistake AS WELL AS blown up MY PERSONAL account numerous times so lotsize is killer
tahirabbasi
2014-07-27, 08:08 PM
g hain hume apnee trdae size ko kam he rakhan chiye jab humm poorly trade kar rah hopn q k sa karnee se app zayda loss se apnee app ko bacha saktee hain andapne app ko kese had tak safe kar sakte hain and ye ake better strateg hai
waheedsain5
2014-07-27, 08:25 PM
yes ofcourse u r totally right in forex rading if we face a loss then in such a case we should try to lower our trade size and we should take decisions accrrding to our ptofits and loss.if we make succcessive profits then we can increase our trade size with lot of confidence.
kounjnwaolpol
2014-07-27, 08:26 PM
The Meet use 2-5% of our add lucre great if you requirement to be defeated in this forex business for want period point.. A originator interchange should expect how not to get experience then how to pissed as big profite as a basic. After he can slim his expiration significantly then they can create advantage automatically !!!
Mouldi khemiri
2014-07-27, 08:37 PM
hi friend i think it is true you must lower you trade size for saved your capital
but for me you trade in demo and you searched your mistake it is very important step
jab koi bhee trader money management ko follow karta hey to trade men lt size chota khud bakhud ho jata hey kiun keh money managment ko follow karna hey to is keyliey hamen lot size 100 dollor key deposit sey 0.10 kee hee use karnee hotee hey takeh gambling bhee na baney aur market men ham kamyabee sey earning bhee karen .
M.USMAN
2014-07-27, 09:00 PM
Han ji jab hum trading me poor ho tu hamay trading small lot size say karna chahy.Jab hum small lot size say trading karen gay tu hamay loss kay kam chance ho gay.Our minimum lot size say trading kar kay hum greed say bhi bach saktay hai.
ahsan_forex
2014-07-28, 12:38 AM
hmm good trading thought,,but everyone having different perception accordingly,,use some batter straegy that make you believe that you make profit through this,, :)
npgit
2014-07-28, 12:53 AM
Yes we should trade our business in the forex forum carefully for getting the bonus after hard working in the world online system. Further the comment that always lower your trade size when you are trading poorly is true, and i accept this proposal in the forum.
nopi_6661
2014-07-28, 08:02 AM
Jee brother yaar agar forex men humne low invest kiya he tou hamain lot size bi low rakhni chaiye agar hum lot size increase karenge tou hamain loss bi ziada hoga aur hamain loss hone ke chances bi bohat bohat ziada honge theak he na isliye hume apni lot size hamaisha low rakhni chiaye
agnidan
2014-07-29, 01:15 PM
forex is a matter of money management and trading discipline, if your capital size is low you must take risk management- otherwise your account may be zero if sudden spike-so, lower lot of trade save you form account close.
himbaka
2014-07-30, 01:29 PM
Even if market looks in our favour we should be careful and not trade big lot size as forex is risky and we know not when market make an opposite move so always be careful and smaller trade will help you stay long.
tajmil
2014-07-30, 08:07 PM
All good traders follow this rule.Why continue to lose on five lots (contracts) per trade when you could save yourself a lot of money by lowering your trade size down to a one lot on your next trade? If I have two losing trades in a row, I always lower my trade size down to a one lot. If my next two trades are profitable, then I move my trade size back up to my original lot size.
sure in fact i igree along with you that is a very good place in case you loss in one or 2 place, you ought to take a bit of time to respire and be patien to begiinn in some other time in a very good place as a result of mothal is vital
digimon
2014-08-01, 11:26 AM
I also use lower traders lot . because it help me to lose small figure . I am not a greedy person and I always want that my losing money I can return . so every newbie should this tricks follow.
sure many people in greed as well as frustation when they're losing they still always open up a lot of but when we decrease the lotsize the actual risk also will be less and that i constantly like in case we've a lot of margin we will trade great thus tiny tons are safe more enhanced
manto
2014-08-03, 12:11 AM
this is very good if we always trade with low lot size.
its save us from margin call, more big loss. we can stay in market for long time if we are trading with low lot size.
but as per my view lot size is not too small we must set it according to our money management.
great deal essential in forex as a result of in case you did not apply it wisely you are able to lose your capital however i think we should begin forex along with very little great deal to discover in case we will build profit or otherwise when we achievement we will improve the actual great deal and find out however general tiny great deal is save than massive great deal
kabrol
2014-08-05, 12:39 PM
yes, just trade with the lower amount of the lot size is enough, better to do not using too much lot size on make the trading on the forex because it will make us being greedy to got more money and that will make us really can got the big loss inside there.
nopi_6661
2014-08-05, 12:42 PM
g brother ap ne bat bilkul theak ki he agar hamari investment kam he to hamy aisi lot size lagani houn gi jis se markeet agar hamary jitna marzi apposit chaly par hamy loss na ho wahi lot size hamary liey bohat best he ap safe dull lot size formula se secure lot size nikal sakte hain
muhammad ashraf
2014-08-05, 12:46 PM
All the senseable traders trade with low trade size if they have low balance. My opinion is that if you have 1000 dollar account balance than your trade size is not bigger than 01 Mini Lot.
raj kumar
2014-08-05, 02:49 PM
All good traders follow this rule.Why continue to lose on five lots (contracts) per trade when you could save yourself a lot of money by lowering your trade size down to a one lot on your next trade? If I have two losing trades in a row, I always lower my trade size down to a one lot. If my next two trades are profitable, then I move my trade size back up to my original lot size.
method that's quite distinctive master, however imagine it very tend to make all of the profit is valued at the actual try
managemet straightforward, if I'll ask
what% you employ it alot?
haniesh
2014-08-06, 12:49 PM
Bohot achee advise hay aap ki aur main to kahoon ga kay aap poorly trade kar rahy hoon ya profits earn kar rahy hoon aap ko apna lot size brha naheen chahiye aur apny capital kay increase hony par hi lot size ko increase karna chahiye.
brojolfx
2014-08-08, 08:43 PM
withinside every prior to we started trading we should prepare the actual static capital so we can use inside a trade to ensure that we will utilize the ratio associated with quantity of pips safe purpose us inside the trading
handsa
2014-08-08, 08:52 PM
i agree with you sir we always in need to manage our money well without any greed , traders who open orders with big lot size want to get high profits in short time but suddenly the price reflected and get involved in big loss, so i prefer slow trading because it help me to stop greed
sheikhbd05
2014-08-08, 09:33 PM
1. All good traders follow this rule.
2. Why continue to lose on five lots
3. (Contracts) per trade when you
4. Could save yourself a lot of
4. Money by lowering your trade
5. Size down to a one lot on your
6. Next trade? If I have two losing
7. Trades in a row, I always lower my trade
8. Size down to a one lot. If my next two trades are profitable, then I
9. Move my trade size back up to my original lot size.
I thank most of the investors are often more achievements, no need a reduction indicates the best investors on decreased requirement. but when we know the errors we keep failures. in this way, we do not do it again errors. as some want every company lack there work at home possibilities to earn profits.
pallob001
2014-08-08, 10:37 PM
Low and many large sizes and not lose very good use, it is advisable to install a lot of things to do, if we do not get the money together with all fast and do not believe that we are convinced that the analysis and. ..
It must be clear and market reports and much more, do not use push, just to see if it is necessary ...Give you a good situation in low batch size, but the necessary discipline and ensure that patients..
shahana
2014-08-09, 12:18 AM
I must say that always trade with low product and try to trade with 1:500 investment and try to craft with 0.10 - 0.20 volume to create few redemptive profit when you know minuscule metropolis because its good to earn slow then loosing.
fxghost
2014-08-11, 09:16 AM
trading mein jab entry nahi milta hain to wo samay humare liye acha nahi hota hain trading ke liye agar koi tab trade karna bhi chahe to usko kam se kam lot size ke sath hi market mein enter hona chahiye bhaiya ji
asim00
2014-08-11, 09:20 AM
it is not necessary that best traders had seek from loss However we can say that when we bear loss we must be aware from our mistakes and we should gain more knowledge and eute better plan to save our money
sami35
2014-08-11, 07:22 PM
mein tu sab ko kehta hoon app apna lot size low select kary aur aap ka is tarah risk level bi kam ho ga aur aap ka profit bi low ho ga but aap ko risk nai uthna parey ga , forex aik bohat acha business hai aur aap ko lot size big nai lagana chaiye aur aap ko chaiye always lot size small choose kary.
bilapbiswas
2014-08-11, 08:35 PM
yes. it is a good plan which i discovered after losing in a line 80% of my ground. actually it is advisible not to put author than 10% or your uppercase at essay during a single trade..otherwise you gift get hit bad.
shihisir2014
2014-08-11, 08:47 PM
We see the trend in our trade that we feature to retrieve is how we mortal a change danger management because we human to restrain the try of trading with honorable because then we testament jazz a good switch efforts that are also good risk management.
NADINE
2014-08-11, 11:42 PM
I think that should the beginner of the forex trading that when they start the trading at initial stage and It is more important to snap the losing streak and start to find the winning mentality before continuing to trade with a large sum of money.
usmanghanibwn
2014-08-11, 11:50 PM
trading main hamesha buhat kam amount sy start karna chahye kyon ky ye start hota hy is waqt ap ka experiece itna nahen hota k ap good profit collect kar sakty hain . after all jab ap ko kuch experience ho jay to phir ap ko chahye k ahista ahista apny amount ko upper ly kar jaen. but start main nahen.
darso
2014-08-13, 03:51 AM
Dont be afraid bro, because if you are feel afraid in your trading, you will not becoming success trader, just make sure about your analysis before you decide to open positions and make sure you do the good entry point
yes u tend to be right, build sure all of us conduct the trade withinside accordance with these technique, and if we perceive are actually in collection with these technique, we should have self-self-assurance and not really be scared.
salman younis
2014-08-13, 04:44 AM
mere khaayaal se agar app ka capital kam hai app ke account main to app ko kam lotz size ki trade lagani chahiye ku ke app agar bari trade lagayein gay to app ko loss bhi ziyaadaa ho sakta hai iss liye kam size ki trade se agar hua to wo bhi kam ho ga.
safdarg2020
2014-08-13, 06:15 AM
No , My dear aisi koi baat ni hay , yeh business tasli baksh bi hay or profitable bhi hay , kion k yeh ek risky business hay is lie is men ehtiat k lie hamesha low trade ko chose kia jata hay kuch na kerne se behter hay k kuch na kuch kia jaie
hasansikder
2014-08-13, 09:23 AM
Well every trader has his own idea of money management which suits his trading call rattling considerably if he is a fortunate merchandiser . I also displace my lot filler when marketplace transmute against me flat I swan big gaps between the trades and if this continues for soul point I stopover trading on that particular pair until trend reversal is confirmed to my side.
satral
2014-08-15, 04:23 PM
I'm gonna have to agree with you here. You are absolutely right. Whenever you are not sure about the trade and you are not firm about the market prediction, you should firstly try to stay out of the market but if you can't for some reason, then you should definitely lower the volume of your position so you won't have to face huge losses as you will have to with higher volumes.
it--king
2014-08-15, 06:09 PM
Yes, I agree with you. If we get losses and loss means that our capital will be reduced. Therefore, it is very wise we are to reduce our batch. Do not rely on your volume in the first paragraph. If you get a loss position, check what your position is wrong. Is there any of your mistakes? Review is essential. If you find it, change it to achieve better results. Also, always keep in mind that all your rules, your money and risk management.
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It is a good proposal, and I think it will save a lot, if they follow their contract to obtain a small business less losses in the future for the n-th degree, and get very little profit, but it is not important, what is better than some of the non-profit good and like you can go to the requested deposit household losses in the period
katty
2014-08-15, 06:12 PM
it is risky to trade with big lot when you are not aware of the trade and the final destination of any trade,you have to put a great impact of this trading,forex is life changing business where you have to trade carefully to get the maximum benefit of your investment.
anderson95915
2014-08-15, 09:27 PM
It is a good idea or a good business concept that during the case of low trading you should bunk the trade size. When you lower the trade size it will help you to minimize the loosing of profit.
daniya1432
2014-08-15, 09:31 PM
for scalpers, the lesser the spread is , the more profits they can gain. And also with less spread, you will see profits much sooner. Less spread also means less pressure and the targets between sl and tp can be set properly too.
ratulap
2014-08-16, 12:21 PM
han bhai ap na ak dam thk bat ki hamain apna lot size increase nh karna cahiyay .agar hum lot size increase karna cahtay hain tu fr hamain apna capital bi increase karna cahiyay .es tarha hamara risk equal rahay ga.
harekrushna
2014-08-16, 12:26 PM
This is always a better option to trade with lower quantity.
Because it reduce the risk if market goes opposite of your trade, and you can do average if necessary. although you have a feel that you can make bigger profit with one trade if market goes favor your position, but Forex market is a long term process. Do not try to make over night money, which might play your emotion.
shahid079
2014-08-16, 12:59 PM
if you are newbie and dont know much about the forex trading then it is better that you should keep your lot size low and never use the over trading just do one single trade at a time and dont greed for the big profits just accept the little profits for the sake of getting knowledge and accept the little profits.
kukikhan
2014-08-16, 01:04 PM
wao this is good advice its very helpful most of the time when i start losing money i have no idea what to do and what not to do because at that very point i was just wait and hope that my lose recover in the contine trade and nothing more from now on i woll use that stretegy when ever i am going into the loss and when i strat earn money will increas to my previous active trade lots
raj kumar
2014-08-18, 06:23 PM
yes that is the best strategy when we are making poor trades and then we see that nothing is going right for us then we may reduce the trade size so that if we have to loose then the loss is in control
Inside the path of obtain achievement inside this particular trade needs a good assortment of unbreakable function. A chap stipulation u want to penetrate during this trade and want to obtain a hold achievement after that u necessitate a good assortment of strong work and knowledge
tahirabbasi
2014-08-18, 06:45 PM
g bilkul ager app trade poorly kartee hain tou app ne trade ka size lower rakhna chiye q k asee main ager app size trade ka zayda ho ga tou app loss kar bathon g market k movement k waja se and low size se app kese tar bach saktee hain
first time i got this kind of advice i think this could be good maybe i'll lowering the lot if i didn't too sure about the trades too or to regain confidence. Because it will greatly harm the trading account and still have to think to be able to retain its trading account in order to do the very survival of trades per day.
muhtadinaim
2014-08-18, 07:00 PM
Forex helps the students to earn money. How do we clear with the market and to use one of the payment does not need to see, you just watch positions. Saved us over a big margin call, calling for damage before if you are working with a smaller size for a long time can remain on the market. Will make the pain less trading account as you Big cars in motion, avoid using try.
katty
2014-08-18, 07:03 PM
it is my secret of treading to trade with low volume because it will increase your trading life because you may loos less money in this market if you are trade with low lot size,it is always welcome for you to make a trade with low lot size.it is good decision for a forex trader.
it--king
2014-08-18, 07:55 PM
This is very wise advice. Most traders, if they are still losing their first trade they use the same high-volume in their next position, and if they are not lucky enough they will lose a large amount of the same. Reduce your batch is the best thing to do.
soniailyas
2014-08-18, 07:59 PM
ye reality ha ke jub kisi tarder ko loss ho raha hota ha tu us ki sub trades loss mi jati hien , ap ka ye mushwara teek ha ke jub loss hora ho tu lot size ko kum se kum rakna chaye is se whole deposit ka loss ka kadsha kum ho jata ha.
mjutt
2014-08-18, 08:17 PM
When you change the bad, always reduce the size of your trade. I agree with the above. But we nubie traders actually increase the size of the business in order to regain lost. Loss. In this spirit Management
fesmoka
2014-08-19, 01:13 PM
Yes of course agar app ka account chota ha or app ic main profitable trading karna chahte hain to to app ko chahiye ke app low size ki lots ki trading karin or thora thora profit ko accept karin.
sahuri
2014-08-24, 11:09 AM
yes i am agree with u the traders must trades the low size when they are the low investment that is the better for the traders to safe the money in the trading and safe the money form the loss.
which is not accurate reduced volume isnt the just method of escaping risk. actually if u have a reduce amount u can servive along with correct money management. so u got to selected correct tons size with regard to away of risk.
ForexSurfer
2014-08-24, 02:12 PM
which is not accurate reduced volume isn‘t the just method of escaping risk. actually if u have a reduce amount u can servive along with correct money management. so u got to selected correct tons size with regard to away of risk.
Bhai ji agar hamko apne trading risks ko kam karna hai to hame sabse pehle apne risks ko manage kar lena hoga aur fir ham apni trading volumes ko aasani se kam kar lenge. Is tarah se hamko koi bhi problems nahi hogi.
Low trading volumes hamare liye better hoti hain...
baisho
2014-08-25, 09:24 PM
All good traders follow this rule. Why continue to lose on five lots per trade when you could save yourself a lot of money by lowering your trade size down to a one lot on your next trade? If I have two bringing up the rear trades in a row, I always lower my trade size down to a one lot.
asad878
2014-08-25, 09:25 PM
Yes if you come to know that trade might not give you profit as you have had thought but it would go in loss,then it is better to lower the trade size.
awais123456
2014-08-25, 09:33 PM
ji ha bhi ji agr ap kai pass zayda expeirnce nahi hai to ap order ki vollume kum rakh kr trade kro si sai apko bohat zyada fiad ho ga ur kam krny mia assani oh jai gi ur earn krny mai bi mza ay ag
gurmeet
2014-08-25, 09:46 PM
ji ha bhi ji agr ap kai pass zayda expeirnce nahi hai to ap order ki vollume kum rakh kr trade kro si sai apko bohat zyada fiad ho ga ur kam krny mia assani oh jai gi ur earn krny mai bi mza ay ag
experince leke hi trader ko work karna chahiy jo bhi trader experince leke work karenge to bahut hi best kar lenge iske jiasa kuch nhi hota hai hume expeicne leke hi work karna chahiy mai huemsah isme experine leke work kia karta hun .
restore
2014-08-29, 11:48 AM
All good traders follow this rule.Why continue to lose on five lots (contracts) per trade when you could save yourself a lot of money by lowering your trade size down to a one lot on your next trade? If I have two losing trades in a row, I always lower my trade size down to a one lot. If my next two trades are profitable, then I move my trade size back up to my original lot size.
This surely is actually accurate my friend, this particular kind of technique which I discovered and used till currently. I would rather trade along with tiny tons, though it may be not really lucrative enough, though its nice for myself. Thats my strategies. Tiny tons might provides a lot more profits for myself. Just in typically whenever I very assured of my strategies after that just I will trade along with big tons.
sahilrajput
2014-08-31, 04:02 AM
jee han jesa kay main aur ap sab yei janty hein kay jitna invest karo gay us kay hesaab say he profit hoga ya loss hoga isi trah theek yei bat bhi theek hai kay jitna apka trading size kam hoga wesy he apki trade bhi poor hogi is liye ap apna trading size bada kar rakha kary jo kay saghi hai.
kebir14
2014-08-31, 04:07 AM
main ne pehli dafa ye sona ha wese main sab ki advices leta houn par un sab par aamal nahi karta jo mugh ko achi lagti hoga k main jab be poor trade kru to me loss me he jao but agar ap achi expert trader hen to ap aisa kabi
pistol
2014-08-31, 09:03 PM
i think yes u tend to be right which Constantly reduce u trade size whenever youre trading poorly and perform not try in order to be able for you to help invest in one location as a result of if u lose u just about almost most money in one location after that u will end up being end withinside long term
zulham
2014-09-02, 08:05 AM
All good traders follow this rule.Why continue to lose on five lots (contracts) per trade when you could save yourself a lot of money by lowering your trade size down to a one lot on your next trade? If I have two losing trades in a row, I always lower my trade size down to a one lot. If my next two trades are profitable, then I move my trade size back up to my original lot size.
Withinside my opinion i think that theres by no means a got to do this during this forex trading business. All of us should be very regimented towards the degree that many of us have a provided risk reward percentage that many of us make use of in order to make away just about almost most the trades withinside forex markets.
fxghost
2014-09-03, 09:59 AM
bhaiya ji trading mein agar trend trader ko nahi mil raha ho to waise to entry nahi lena chahiye lekin maine dekha hain bahut se trader entry kar hi dete hain fir bhi waisi movement mein , agar entry lena hi hain to sabse low lot size ka hi istemaal kiya kare
forex trading is not so easiy business and in this business i trade a small lot because with big lot size you have a big chance of loss in forex trading and forex trading is a very risky business.trading with positive mind you success easily.
Lubna Fahim
2014-09-03, 10:39 AM
Main aapse ye kehna chahta hoon k agar aap forex trading theek se nahi kar paatey to aapko apni trading abhi stop kar dena chahiye kyun k aapko loss kam ho ya zyada loss to loss hi hota hain, Aapko chahiye k pehle aap forex trading ko pehle samjhe aur practice karen tabhi isme invest karke isme trading start karen.
romkayo123
2014-09-03, 04:09 PM
Most traders area unit success with none additional losses, I mean it's not necessary that best traders had look for from loss. However we are able to say that we have a tendency to|once we|after we} bear loss we should remember from our mistakes. during this manner we tend to don't create these mistakes once more. In each business that we wish to earn profit, in same business there's some probabilities of loss..
ishvara
2014-09-03, 05:18 PM
We must always have a pre existing rule about choosing of our Lot size to trade Forex Market with. We should not change our MM because of poor trades or good trades, We should only focus on trading with one same Lot size.
M. Azhar Rouf
2014-09-03, 05:33 PM
We always trade with much less size then it is great. The margin call, save big loss. We are trading with low lot size so we can stay in the market for a long time. I do not have many sizes too small, as we must set up according to your money management.
Of course,Forex is a more reliable because,it is a real business and it is number one foreign currency market.So,I say that it is more reliable for,trading.I think that it is very real place of earning money and Instaforex broker is number one broker in Asia
manto
2014-09-07, 07:39 PM
yes i think traders trades just reduced size thats very greatest to the confident people i think traders could get success on trading if theyre learn trading Its much better method to earn i think traders should invest the actual big dimensions trades which is designed for traders
zafariqbal149
2014-09-07, 09:37 PM
yes dear ya ap per depnd karta ha kay ap kay signal ki strenght kya ha aur fore xmain ap ki traidng kase ha forex main main to always lower lot size sy trade karta ho is sy loss bhi thora hota ha aur forex main profit bhi thora hota ha forex main 80 percnt trade poistive hote ha forex main ap ko work karna chihy .
belkacem1991
2014-09-08, 12:16 AM
nhi hota meray sath ku k jab me kabi sahi trade be karta hu tab b me loss me ja rha hota hu yeh kehna theek nhi hoga k main jab gi to main aisa kerun ga , the mian reaosn why i am saying that jeb ap proprly ready hoon gein market her prices
babour14
2014-09-08, 02:01 AM
nhi hoga k main jab be poor trade kru to me loss me he jao but agar ap achi expert trader hen to ap aisa main aisa kerun ga , the mian reaosn why i am saying that jeb ap proprly ready hoon gein market her prices
fxghost
2014-09-09, 11:14 AM
bhaiya ji trading ke liye bahut jaruri hota hain ki hamesha trader lower lot size ka istemaal karta rahe bada lot size use karna trader ke liye jayda dikkat bhara ho jata hain kabhi kabhi aisa hota hain jo bada profits aa jaye nahi to mostly nuksan hi bade hote hain
wantiyemfx
2014-09-09, 12:55 PM
first of all we need to make a forex trading practice on demo account to make your self strongly in forex market that are a lot of different strategies for low capital accounts, if you have a low capital account you can use high leverage and also use low lot size to trade
babatir
2014-09-09, 12:59 PM
a lot of traders are success with out almost any added losses, i mean That is not required The item Best traders had seek from loss.
However we can say The idea While my partner and i bear loss when i must become aware coming from OUR mistakes. throughout the way my partner and i do not make most of these mistakes again. throughout every company that we want in order to earn profit, inside same institution there\'s a number of options associated with loss.
Maxigirl
2014-09-09, 02:34 PM
bhaiya ji trading ke liye bahut jaruri hota hain ki hamesha trader lower lot size ka istemaal karta rahe bada lot size use karna trader ke liye jayda dikkat bhara ho jata hain kabhi kabhi aisa hota hain jo bada profits aa jaye nahi to mostly nuksan hi bade hote hain
Ham log apni trading me jab bhi kam lot size ka use karte hain tab hamko risk kam rehta hai. Is tarah ki trading safe maani jaati hai aur is se ham logon ko trading karne me jyada loss nahi hoga. Ham agar jyada der tak trading karna chahate hain to hamko aisa hi karna hoga :D
naziakhan
2014-09-10, 08:00 PM
bhaiya ji trading ke liye bahut jaruri hota hain ki hamesha trader lower lot size ka istemaal karta rahe bada lot size use karna trader ke liye jayda dikkat bhara ho jata hain kabhi kabhi aisa hota hain jo bada profits aa jaye nahi to mostly nuksan hi bade hote hain
ap na sahi kaha hay bhai k bada lot size use karna bilkul bi acha nh rahta hay , hamay koshish yahi karni cahiyay k low lot size use kar k market ma trading karay , es tarha hum safe rahtay hay aur achi kamai kar saktay hay .:good:
indiantiger
2014-09-11, 10:42 AM
iss field mein sab depend karta hai ki aap kitni capital le ke chal rahe hain kyunki agar aapki capital acchi hai toh aap bade lot size se bhi trading kar sakte hain magar agar aapki capital choti hai toh aapko iss field mein loss ho sakta hai bhauat zyada hamesha yeh baat yaad rahe aapko ismein bhai.
rana53
2014-09-11, 10:45 AM
yes this is a good statement i agree with this statement i think that we must do the trading hard but when we are trading poorly then we must trade lower level for example if you trade of 5 cent and you get a loss then you should trade with 3 or 2 cent with courge and knowledge
Using small lot size is the sign of the survival in forex trading. According to my experience, I ever use the small lot size as forex is very risky and tough business and using big lot size can cause the reason of loss. Forex is worldwide lucrative business and there are large number of people are attached with this business, some of them are loosing due to using big lot size.
I will also give the advice to all the newcomers that they should use the small lot size in order to prevent the huge loss and for the sake of survival in this business.
Yes It happened with me we trade not to loss THE capital then my spouse and i be asked to earn a very low profit.High income can be every traders expectation but i might be failure pertaining to just about any time.So While my spouse and i are trying in order to earn huge revenue through MY OWN trade my spouse and i In the event that trade carefully.
amitshanifx14
2014-09-11, 03:04 PM
yes sure trader ko lot size hamesha chota hi lagana chahiye is se jayada loss se baccha ja sakta hai aur jitna chota lot size hum market mein lagateen hai utna hi hum ko loss kaam hone k chancess hote hai and first of all ki greed ko bhi ye chota lot size control kar k rakhta hai aur aap ka trade bhi discipline way mein hota hai.
wantiyemfx
2014-09-11, 03:07 PM
trading lot size can be changed but risk per trade should be always same its better to focus on risk because you have not enough money and if you want to take out high trade then you can get loss all of your money
koruptor
2014-09-15, 01:27 PM
I think, Just about almost most great traders adhere to this particular rule. Why always lose about 5 tons (contracts ) in order to be able for you to help trade whenever u might save a lot of money through lowering the actual size of the actual market as much as a lot upabout u subsequent trade? If I have 2 losing trades on a line, constantly reduce my business structure till a lot of one.
ForexSurfer
2014-09-15, 01:41 PM
trading lot size can be changed but risk per trade should be always same its better to focus on risk because you have not enough money and if you want to take out high trade then you can get loss all of your money
Hamko apne trading lots ko control me karna hoga kyuki isi par hamari trading bhi depend karegi. Jab hamari trade sahi se hogi tab hamko income bhi acchi tarah se mil sakti hai. Trading karna hamare liye profitable bhi tabhi ho sakta hai.
Jab ham kam risks me trade karte hain...
soniailyas
2014-09-15, 01:55 PM
ap ka ye formula or advise achi ha kuke mery sath bhi iysa ho chuka ha ke jub mjy loss hota ha tu mi apni trading lot size ko kum ker liti hoon , is se ye hota ha ke mujy agar prfoit na bhi ho tu loss bhi bohat he kum hota ha.
Michael
2014-09-15, 03:23 PM
thats very true, lower your trading fungtion to the limited value that is offered in the choice that work well, there is a lot of good choices that people make but when it comes to failuer they are delived well
jeetnrimi
2014-09-16, 11:17 AM
Bhai, Agar aap trade poorly kah rahe to to mera advice ye hai ki aapko pahle demo account par profitable trading karne tak practice karni chahiye aur jab aap demo account par better earning karne lagte hai tab aapko small lot size ke sath real account par trading karna chahiye.
G mere bhai bilkul theek kaha hai ap ny mein ap ki bat ko agree karta hun bilkul mere bhai low average se humein earning bhi ziada hoti hai or hum ziada loss se bachy rehty hain lower average best hoti hai.
stunt1
2014-09-16, 11:30 AM
Yes It happened inside me i trade not to be able to loss MY capital subsequently i be asked to earn an very low profit.High earnings is every traders expectation but i may be failure pertaining to virtually any time.So Any time my spouse and i tend to be trying to be able to earn huge profits through MY OWN trade when i Should trade carefully.
sajid1240
2014-09-16, 11:32 AM
This is the first time i got this kind of advice i think this could be good maybe i'll lowering the lot if i didn't too sure about the trades too because it will greatly harm the trading account and still have to think to be able to retain its trading account in order to do the very survival of trades per day.
ForexSurfer
2014-09-16, 05:51 PM
This is the first time i got this kind of advice i think this could be good maybe i'll lowering the lot if i didn't too sure about the trades too because it will greatly harm the trading account and still have to think to be able to retain its trading account in order to do the very survival of trades per day.
Trading jab bhi ham logon ki galat hone lag jaati hai hamko kuch na kuch aisa karna hota hai jis se ham log apni trading ko ekdum sahi kar sakte hain. Ham logon ke jo bhi efforts hote hain wo hamare liye bahut hi acche ho sakte hain.
Jab ham jyada risks nahi lenge...
rahul patel
2014-09-16, 07:21 PM
ha yeh baat to honi hi chahiye har newbies ke dhyan mein kyonki jo log is market mein kuch sikh rahe hai ya abhi naya hi trading strart kiya to unhe safe lot size means 0.01 se trade kare phir bhale hi unke pas large fund ho kyonki unki trading mein utni accracy nahi hogi woh log abhi naye hai
fxghost
2014-09-21, 10:16 AM
Trading jab bhi ham logon ki galat hone lag jaati hai hamko kuch na kuch aisa karna hota hai jis se ham log apni trading ko ekdum sahi kar sakte hain. Ham logon ke jo bhi efforts hote hain wo hamare liye bahut hi acche ho sakte hain.
Jab ham jyada risks nahi lenge...
trading galat hone ke baad mein usko theek kiya ja sakta hain agar hum log thoda wapas apne practice ki aur jaate hain to practice ke baad mein trader ko trading mein bahut se badlaav dekhne ko mil pate hain bhaiya ji
fast33fx
2014-09-21, 10:43 AM
if you don't see any good spot to trade in the market according to your standard or measurement I think it is better not to put so much risk in our trade, because we are strongly believed that there's only huge failure will happen when we risk to much.
shad4u2
2014-09-21, 10:47 AM
Well said if your risk reward ratio is 1:1 then you can use small lot for trading and protect your self for higher loss, in case of higher risk reward you can trade with big lot but always refer your risk reward ratio and money management point.
Bigboss
2014-09-21, 11:09 AM
Ji ha bilkul ap k bat thek ha is m humy kam lot size use karna chahiya jab hamy trend k information n ho k wo kia kar raha ha yani up jy ga ya down kiu k ager hum big lot use kary gy tu humy loss b bara ho sakta ha is liya us s bachna chahiya
sulaisfx
2014-09-21, 11:31 AM
most of the peoples can not manage their account and they loss all of his capital because they have habit to put a lot of more then his capital. i suggest you should put a lot of lower size when you are trading.
sabo5
2014-09-21, 11:41 AM
ji ah bhi ji hum ko kabhi9 kabhi si kia andr loss ho ta zayda tr hum ko is kia andr profit hi hota ahi si lyih um ko is kia andr mehnat krny chaye dis ahmry lyi bohat zayda fiada ho jai ga
maniklal
2014-09-21, 11:56 AM
We should not power ourselves to organization despite using less scaly lot measurement. An amazing investor may be not amazing earner in short interval of time; he is amazing for well allowance his danger that indicates he efficiently use danger and management. The danger in such situation and enhance place measurement only when things are apparent.
manzoorgujar
2014-09-21, 12:21 PM
in forex trading if we used a small lot size then this is best for the trader because with small lot size you have a good chance of earn money.with poor balance you trade slowly then you increase your capital.
azhari09
2014-09-21, 11:27 PM
yes whenever u have much a smaller amount expertise or even u have low balance these people constantly trading along with reduced tons size. when obtaining expertise through very little tons collect big profit with regard to big tons volume
naziakhan
2014-09-22, 02:01 PM
trading galat hone ke baad mein usko theek kiya ja sakta hain agar hum log thoda wapas apne practice ki aur jaate hain to practice ke baad mein trader ko trading mein bahut se badlaav dekhne ko mil pate hain bhaiya ji
han bhaiya g agar trader ki performance achi nh rahi hay tu us ko real trading chor kar practice start kar daini cahiyay , practice sa us ko kafi acha experience milay ga aur us ki performance bi achi ho gi .:good:
mukeshfx
2014-09-26, 06:26 PM
Humen forex market me low risk ke saath trading karna chahiye taaki humen loss kam ho, low risk par trading karne ke liye humen low leverage aur low lots size se trading karna hota hai, Low lot size se trading karne me humen jyada profit nahin hota hai magar loss bhi jyada nahin hoga jo ki achcha baat hai.
imran78
2014-09-26, 06:27 PM
bhai jan manyahan pe abhi bhe lrn kr rha hn man is k bary man koch nahi janta or ja pta chly ga zror btaon ga
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